The Nats believe they're close to competing, whether or not you do. And that likely means that Adam Dunn isn't going anywhere.
Jul 23, 2010 - In the next week, you're going to see a whole lot of horse puckey about how the Nats NEED to do this. Or they NEED to do that. These next few days are going to be a referendum on general manager Mike Rizzo.
As if his legacy is going to be determined on whether or not he can find a home for Adam Dunn -- instead of other things like not signing international free agents. {checks transaction log} Wait. Scratch that.
Whether or not to trade Adam Dunn is a tough decision, with a whole lot of moving parts. It can't be boiled down to a simple "must" or "must not."
It's clear that Rizzo's been interested in keeping him around. The team has been negotiating with his agent, trying to find a fair deal on an extension. The scuttlebutt last week was that Dunn was looking for something in the range of 4-years, $60 million. I hope that Rizzo was enough of a professional to stifle the laughter before saying "no thanks."
There are a few different end-games here. Let's assume that the team doesn't trade him. What are the advantages then?
For one, they keep Dunn and Ryan Zimmerman happy. A happy Zimmerman is a non-jaded, non-damn-i-can't-wait-to-sign-with-the-Yankees kind of player. Second, a happy Dunn and a happy Zimmerman might mean that Dunn's asking price comes down a smidgen, especially in the few months between now and November, when he'd be able to file for free agency. Third, were they to trade Dunn, especially after he's talked about liking it here and not really wanting to be traded, they'd have probably napalmed those bridges, meaning he wouldn't come back.
So not trading Dunn increases the chances that he's wearing the Curly W next season.
Not trading him also means there's a possibility of arbitration. If the Nats offered arbitration to Dunn, the worst-case scenario would be something like a 1-year, $16 million deal. I'd do that in a heartbeat. The problem with Dunn isn't what he's going to do in 2011, but what he might be doing in 2014 -- pining for the fjords, perhaps?
If they offer and he accepts, great. If they offer and he walks, great, too. ‘Cause when some other lowly team signs Dunn, the Nats net two extra draft picks (likely both among the top 35 or so picks). There's not much downside there, is there?
So if Rizzo does trade him, he's losing the opportunity to re-sign him or add picks. Maybe you can't put a dollar sign on that, but that does have value; it's hardly the "nothing" that some would make it out to be.
Think about what happened with the Alfonso Soriano situation. The Nats got blasted here to there for not trading Soriano and getting "nothing" in return. Well, by not trading him, the Nats got the pick that became Jordan Zimmermann. That's certainly better than had Bowden taken one of the rumored packages that centered on Phil Humber.
Rizzo seems to know this, which is why the stories you're seeing indicate that he's shooting for the moon with these deals. He's asking for a lot not just because Dunn's a pretty damn good player, but because not trading him has value to the Nats too.
If the team is as close as Stan Kasten believes it is, then NOT trading Dunn -- is probably the right move. So while the deadline ticks closer, don't get excited. He's probably not going anywhere.
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Okay I'll bite ... oh maybe I shouldn't have said that?
Maybe all factors haven’t been considered?
1. Dunn is the closest approximation to a ‘Frank Howard’ (and for Ballimerians Boog Powell) that has been seen since perhaps McGuire. But Dunn is in DC and that makes all the difference. The “Hondo allure” should not be underestimated and won’t be by the ownership. In other words don’t expect them to be as cheap as you might expect when it comes to Dunn. Now you have the ‘heir apparents’ to Walter Johnson AND Frank Howard except amazingly both could be better? I should be in the Nats marketing and sales department?
2. Yes, if worst comes to worst Rizzo will take the draft picks as Kushner suggests but its always a good idea to listen to what the real baseball people think … as well right here: http://www.masnsports.com/the_goessling_game/2010/07/dunn-gossip-from-baltimore.html
What this says to me is that Rizzo will not give up Dunn without a fight. So, he had better plan on spending the offseason honing his fielding skills in Florida because they need a lot of work. A lot. There’s plenty of hunting and fishing around Florida.
3. Rizzo’s highest priority and one of the guiding principles for rebuilding the Nationals is replenishing the farm system. During the rain delay in Cincinnati he admitted that he found the Nationals in worst shape in 2006, than the newly minted expansion team AZ Diamondbacks. A damning appraisal of the talent in the Nats farm system from when he took over as GM if I ever heard one.
That said he needs prospects, more prospects, and even more prospects as fast as he can get them because he said it took a good six or seven years for AZ. He knows he can’t wait that long in DC. Signing high priced free agents (excluding the young International types from the DR) will not ameliorate this problem. Trading for B with upside and A prospects (a lot harder) from other teams could help jump start things. But what do you offer to get these prospects? He really has only one player that everyone covets and it isn’t Dunn, he himself has pretty much admitted that its Jordan Zimmermann. His most prized pitcher after Stephen Strasburg.
So how do you stay aligned with your guiding principal while keeping players who might help you get above the .500 mark and god forbid, get into a wildcard run or win the division?
The answer unfortunately comes in the form of packaging players like Capps, Storen, possibly Morgan if he improves. Then there’s the most valuable trade chip he has: Ryan Zimmerman. Would he move a Zimmerman if he were offered 5 B with upside and A prospects that are reasonably close to major league read? I think the answer probably is yes.
I just don’t see the team gaining the prospects Rizzo wants for just a Dunn, or Willingham, or Capps. He has to get more … and that is what the other teams who inquire are finding out. And honestly, I am with him all the way on this, MLB allowed and helped ravage this franchise so that it had to leave Montreal. MIke Rizzo is not asking any more than these franchises should be paying for that travesty … IMHO.
by plebescite on Jul 23, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting article...
…anyone who makes the case for holding the picks being one of our options needs to keep FJB’s post on this into the discussion. That article makes the bad process, good results argument but is a little dated because it was written in July 2009. Interesting to note the context of that deal because it was written in the middle of Nick Johnson’s strong season of last year and was designed to help motivate the Nats faithful to embrace a trade of Nick Johnson, which was made for C/C+ prospect Aaron Thompson whose been kind of enigmatic this year, flashes of potential but an awful stretch in the middle of the season that we hope he’s worked out.
Let’s leave the bad process, good results argument and focus on the actual difference between Slowey and Zimmermann. To me the basic difference is one of a time. According to fangraphs, Slowey’s been a 5.9 WAR player in four big league seasons to this point. He’s 34-20 with a 4.53 ERA in the American League in 423.1 IP. Sounds like a thoroughly mediocre pitcher for the Twins who has made his small but significant contribution to a perpetual playoff contender. Jordan Zimmerann’s had one big league season with 1.8WAR, a 3-5 record and a 4.61 ERA and been a hope since 2008 when it became clear he had the potential to be special. But basically, he hasn’t contributed that much in 2007 or 2008, made a significant contribution in 2009, and will make a small contribution in 2010 which might have been greater if he was a potential playoff arm. Slowey made a solid 3.0 WAR contribution in 2008 and modest 1.4WAR in injury shortened 2009 and 1.3 WAR in 2010 to date.
For the 2006 Washington Nationals, Slowey’s significant contributions become part of the difference that prevents you from getting franchise altering Strasburg and top prospect Harper if signed. For the 2006 Twins, Slowey helps push you over the top as you narrowly beat the Tigers to get in the playoffs.
So the question is are we close or are we far? If we’re somewhat close, settling for the picks is completely unacceptable. It’s basically an admission that we’re 4-5 years away instead of 2 years or so away from contending. If we’re far, than it’s okay but you better be pretty damn good at picking draft picks Mr. Rizzo and I want to see Cole and Solis signed this year with some of the money you know that you’ll be saving.
I can live with keeping Dunn and aggressively seeking to make major progress next year to contend in 2012.
I prefer trading Dunn if there’s a Dan Hudson deal from the White Sox. Hudson is starting now for the White Sox and could be a significant 3rd or 4th starter. If it’s below Dan Hudson, I hope he waits to try to get other players into the conversation but I could live with a deal that includes multiple Top 10 prospects in the White Sox system.
But I cannot, cannot, cannot live with just taking the picks and the “wait for the Plan!” stuff. Because as you’ve written here, the plan window kind of expires after 2013 when Zimmermann leaves and it’s hard to see the picks contributing by then. And if you sign somebody to replace Dunn, you’re kind of reducing the value of the picks with the picks that you lose.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
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